Marvel Television Returns, Nic Cage as Spider-Man Noir, DCU Live-Action Crossover, and more!

[0:22] Hello, everyone, and welcome to Superhero Slate, the show we run down the latest superhero entertainment news. We love TV, movies and superheroes. So let's talk it all out. My name is Chris. And my name is Patrick. And this week, we're getting a better look at that revamped Daredevil series. We're going to talk about all sorts of Marvel TV stuff, so it's exciting. Nicolas Cage, one of our, I would say one of the most, wild card actors in Hollywood these days is going to return to his Spider-Man noir role. And we'll talk about what that means for for the INS Amazon later in the episode. the first DCU crossover character is confirmed. We have details on who that is and what their role is.

[1:06] You're right. We already know who it is. And we've talked about before. We've got confirmation and more. so, thank you, Patrick. As people, you know, we do have Michaels. We have Patrick. Patrick, thank you for jumping on the show with me this week. We're excited to be here, man. Taking over for Mike permanently. Permanently. Oh my God. Yeah. It's, Then strong, strong words right out the gate here. It's a it's a coup. It is. It is very much so. what's he going to do about it? Nothing. He he's not even here. Not here to defend himself. So it's I mean, he's in even when he does defend himself, he's going to do it with a baby in his arms.

[1:40] And man, I mean, I can. So he's going to be an arm down. I can take him. Oh yeah. I mean I mean, you as a parent, you know you've got two up on him. So you're like, I've got this already down. I know how to handle this. He's, he's he's just a rookie at this point. So, that's that's kind of what it comes down to. But yes. Yes. Thank you for doing it. you know, for those who may or may not know. Well, so how long ago was it? We had a short lived podcast, Patrick. like, 2016, 2017, almost like, about movies, but, but yeah, Patrick listens, every week. he also is one of the few people who will tell me thank you for the show notes,

[2:16] Because he can skip around on the time codes, you know? So I try to keep up working. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, for that, you know, you didn't text me last week, and I want to revisit this because I think, you know, I've, I've we've talked about it off quite a bit, but you know, we, you know, we were, mourning the loss, slash celebrating the life of Roger Corman last week. Right. And it was in the news, for us because, you know, he was a producer on the non released Fantastic Four movie, which is I think it's even on YouTube. You can watch it, you know, but you can find it places to watch that very difficult.

[2:50] But, you know, I know you might he didn't wasn't as familiar. He kind of started with the the more recent stuff he produced went backwards. But, you know, we took bad films together. That was my first introduction. Roger Corman and you, we talked about doing, on the show and talking about Bucket of Blood, Little Shop of Horrors. But, you wanted to bring up some, some more information about him and his, I guess, effect, especially on the film industry as it is today and who he was able to help, bring up the ranks of filmmaking. Yeah, man, I just feel like we owe a lot to him. Like. Yeah, solely he. I think he jumped the movie industry forward.

[3:30] But all by himself. Now, you can say that, through his credits on IMDb, maybe that doesn't show up. although he's probably more known for his producer credits than his directorial credits. but he influenced so many people in Hollywood, just purely by how he like to do things. I sincerely believe that like independent movies and horror films would not be in the position that they are, in Hollywood. both, from like a quality standpoint and from a, material gains standpoint without his, without his influence. because the way he likes to make movies and, the way he was able to get the most out of his cast and crew, and time on set, was legendary. and I think a lot of, especially horror movies use these same

[4:35] Sort of principles today, like, when we talk about percentage of, like, gross profit, you know, the movies that are making the most money aren't the ones that we you guys typically talk about on this show. you know, these big Hollywood, massive Marvel films and stuff. And I know those are the movies that we that we love, but, the ones that are making the most gross profit in terms of percentage are these these horror movies that are shot over the course of ten days and two weeks or, you know, nowadays, I guess it's probably closer to like a month or a month and a half. But these, these smaller productions, and all of that was influenced by, by him and the way he like to do movies.

[5:23] Not only that, but I think if Mike would go back, he would, see that a lot of, the movies that he enjoys, the action movies outside of, superhero movies are heavily, heavily influenced by Roger Corman. not only did he do the originals of some of these movies, like, either directing or producing like Death Race or The Fast and the furious, the original fast and the furious, I believe, was in 19, late 1950s, maybe early 60s movies that he wrote, you know, Piranha, the original Piranha. so and not only that, but he took a lot of, these movies are available on, YouTube and Amazon Prime. He had a bunch of early 60s features, with Vincent Price that are really, I think, really good for the time,

[6:21] That are based, off of Edgar Allan Poe. yeah. Novels. I mean, I think they all have some, you know, like, varying level of quality, but you can get you can get good things out of out of all of them. Not to mention like the the people that he brought directly into the industry or that he directly influenced, like, James Cameron. James Cameron's, former wife. her name is alluding me, but there was a very famous producer, Scorsese. He, obviously you talked about Jack Nicholson last week. All right. Ron Howard, Francis Ford Coppola. Robert De Niro gave him his break. yeah, I just, I, I didn't I didn't feel like you were doing him dirty. I just don't think that there's I think there's a lot of things that we

[7:11] Know that we need to know from him, that you can't just learn from an I and web page, I guess. Well, absolutely. And I think, you know, in, in context of, of the show, I think for, for superhero movies, he I know, I think the direct first thing has been absolutely. You can't understate that. I, I will also say, you know, as a, as a producer, I did look at like he is, handled. I was in the US as a producer, the distribution for like a lot of foreign, director films. Yeah, yeah. Akira Kurosawa films and Ingmar Bergman films. So he, his hands, weren't just like, oh, he made bad movies cheap and quick and, and, you know, they, they gained cult status, which they did.

[7:49] But he as the film industry, he brought a lot of people up with him around him. Yeah, I think I think even, the Italian, that Italian director, Fellini, I think he brought some of his movies in too, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Anyway, just. Yeah, he he was a film man his entire life. And I think the film industry owes him a lot more. That's. Yeah. That's all. Yeah, absolutely. And to have a full life, you know, at 98 years old, that's great for him, right? I think that's always, you know, it's it is, you know, sad we lost him. But again, celebrating his life and successes along with him is super, super important. the other thing I was going to kind of touch on last week,

[8:34] I think I just barely had gotten to play. The Marvel rivals closed Alpha Test last week, but. Oh, yeah. I want to hear about. This, but, we've I've been able to play every night this week because it ends, the 20th, which I think is tomorrow, like midnight. But I've been playing with, the way the game works is. So I got to close off code. And then after I hit level six every day at 8 p.m., I can, I can get, I, you get a code that I can give to a friend. And I gave it to a friend of ours, Lonny. And then, you know, the the essentially the waterfall of codes have gone through

[9:04] Essentially our mutual friend list of of people I've been playing with all week. But, it's been really fun. This game is for a closed alpha game and was like, well, it's a beta. I'm like setting this before baited. So there's like 19 characters and they're all very unique kind of archetypes of things. If you played Overwatch, which I think, you said you had. So, you know, there's push, push the cart or stop the cart, push or capture the points. Very basic, you know, really fun. But like, I love this game because, you know, they've really hit a couple things on that. Number one, the art style, all the characters don't look like they're MCU counterparts or like their comic book counterparts.

[9:40] They really were able to lean into a distinct look for the characters, along the way. But with that, when you're just kind of in the room waiting for the game to start with, the other characters, the any any characters, two characters, sometimes three will have unique dialog based on, like their history together or like things that you've done. Like if you're playing Magneto and you have Scarlet Witch and, you know, in the comic books, that's that's Magneto's daughter, right? Kind of thing. So they have some conversations about that. Or there's a, character called Luna Snow. she's relatively new, created like 2018 for Marvel Future, right? She has, she's a pop star in the MCU, Korean pop star.

[10:17] And she has conversation with Iron Man about who's more popular and who's more. You're rich based on that kind of stuff. So adding those like flavor dialogs along the way has really just kind of made the characters come to life rather than like, oh, I'm just playing Overwatch with Marvel Skins. There is that character building that, you know, I and I used to be known for it really well, but I don't know, I've not played enough Overwatch two to really, it's interesting that they've brought some of that forward or not, but it's been really fun to to play and do that with. And I have literally I'm not a PC gamer. I have a, you know, I'm a mac user.

[10:52] I have my Steam Deck, but I have a arcade computer that's been running this. I've been remoting it on to my Mac, so I've been like accessing it remotely so I can play the game with my controller. Because I'm a controller boy, I can't I can't go back to mouse and keyboard. Patrick. It's just it's it's too tough for me. Yeah, I've I've come a long way, but. I would definitely have a hard time at this point going back to the mouse and keyboard as well. Yeah. but yeah, it's been fun. It's great when you have, like, you know, your teammates and you know, you're able to communicate with everyone. I think at one point we had four, maybe five people on one team together,

[11:23] In one chat. So I think that's where things can come to life. I really have a lot of fun playing. I think last week it's in Scarlet, which is a really fun character. I came to, enjoy, Penny Parker, and I don't know if you remember her from, into the Spider-Verse. The first one, she's the one who controls the robot spider. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's one of the characters, and she's like a tanky character. And it's really fun to play as her. And she's got a little spider drones and little, little spider bots helping you out. So I really enjoy playing that, that character as well. but did you have any questions on it? Yeah.

[11:58] Yeah for sure. so first of all, back to what you were saying originally, the these, these voice lines, are they like while you're in combat or they like in the menus. Or so when you get into the game, like you there's like a time period before the game starts, like a 32nd to like, I don't know if it loads. Everything in here just gets everyone together. when you're in that little holding area with your characters, that's where the conversations happen. Sure. Okay. That's fun. Yeah. Oh, you say it would be. It would be really? I don't know, kind of random and hectic if it was happening while you're shooting at another character or something. Yeah.

[12:31] And they will say like, you know, they have like Battlestar for like, you know, like, you know, there's a punch. So I think I remember someone saying, you know, Punisher's over there or something like that. They will call out other characters as well. when you when you like, you see, like enemy characters. So they have that. But like, yeah, they don't have the full on, like, deep, meaningful conversations in battle. Gotcha. What are the maps based off of? Like, are they based off of popular MCU locations or so? Yeah, there's two maps so far. the first is called Eggs Guard, so it's a mixture of aggressively and Asgard, some world tree and Asgard. So it's very, Asgardian based, if you will.

[13:09] And the other one is, a, it's like a, I don't know, the name. It's like a future Tokyo, like, like Tokyo 2099, but it's based on, like, you know, that's where the spider, it's it's a spider man map. So it's a, I think Tokyo 2099. This one's based on. Oh, okay. Yeah. They could they could do some really interesting things with those environments. pretty easily. I mean, and that would add a lot of character to the game. I feel like. What's cool about that is also like, they, they can, mention is that there's two Doctor Dooms, fighting for like, different time, you know, timelines, and like, that's why you have X guard. It's like a mixture of, like, two of the world.

[13:49] So, like, if they wanted to, you know, blend things together, that would be really fun, right? To make their own levels in that regard. The environment interactable in anyway. yeah. You can climb. well, I guess I don't interact. Well, you can climb, but it's destructible. The game actually has destructible environments, so. Sure, you can blow through walls in Asgard. The, the, it'll heal itself after a certain time point. Like the lore is that Loki is the god of Kingsguard, and he has magic to like. You know, he wants to look pristine. So if it's damaged or broken or whatever, it comes back, it responds in essentially based on his magic after a certain time. And then I believe in Tokyo, some of it responds, but I don't think a lot of it.

[14:31] I feel like if it fell down in Tokyo, it stayed down in Tokyo. So, that doesn't have that kind of stuff, but the environments are more destructible than I anticipated overall. Oh, okay, I can't remember. I with the destructible environments, are you able to create like new paths for the for the cart or is it always in the same the. Cart paths in the same direction? But you can get to the car or maybe like, kind of sneak around on people or find like a shortcut of your own. by doing that, there's one. And Asgard, that's the map that you can just control the points. Like whoever's holding the the points longest wins. And, there's a door and it's closed off,

[15:12] But you can blow through the door and, like, come up underneath everybody. and but like, when, when raises or respawns the map, it comes back. So like, you have to blow through it every time. But like, it is a fun little thing to have, like a little quote unquote secret path and everyone's going up and over. You can go down and around them a little bit. Nice. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a blast. Yeah, it's been fun. I mean, again, it's it's very close Alpha. It's very early, but like, it seems really polished from like a game point gameplay point of view. So, I'm very excited. I know a bunch of data leakers have mined at least 20 more

[15:44] Characters are in the code, or at least, you know, have been in the works. So that'll probably launch with 39, 40 characters. The, battle pass. You're familiar with battle passes, right? in this, it's got a very character based battle pass with the character called Galactica, which is the daughter of Galactus. And she had, like a small comic book in like 20 tens is very, you know, for lack of and this is like something you would see in like an anime and like Korea kind of thing. Like it's very leans into the humor of it. It's not really. Galactus daughter is like a teenage girl with a Galactus helmet on, right, kind of thing. And but, you know, she, as you go through the battle pass, you get different pages.

[16:22] There's like a whole page of her telling you what the world is and what's going on. And, like, you know what Galactus is doing. Like, it's really it adds more to a battle pass and just check and boxes along the way. Right. There's some actual story points that break that up really well, which which was fun. No. So, yeah, I'm having a good time with it. I'm excited. Play some more tonight and tomorrow before it ends. And then go probably back in the Diablo four. Finally launch a new season for that week. I like a good Diablo four, so we'll do that. But, yeah. if you're ready, let's jump into the the show notes if you if that's okay with me, man.

[16:58] So, first and foremost, I told you literally I put this in here while we were talking. getting ready for the show is Deadpool. Wolverine has announced that tickets go on sale tomorrow. for this and usually, if I. My guesses are correct, and sometimes or not. But most of the time, if tickets are going on sale. What does that mean? This is trailer. New trailer. Yeah. So I'm going to guess there's probably going to be a trailer tomorrow. for this. And again, this is when I went to see what was the last movie. Was it the Marvel's was, I believe, was the last movie, out. normally I buy a bunch of tickets for a bunch of people,

[17:33] My friends and family locally, me all, you know, try to get together because they, they're like, oh, when two tickets go on sale, Chris knows he'll just get in for us. And the Marvel's. We did not do that, though. A lot of people, you know, just didn't, you know, have it to go out and see that. But Deadpool, Wolverine, the power, house that is Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman the only Marvel movie out. I assume the marketing for this is going to really, really ramp up starting tomorrow. And, kind of kind of get there. So I was like, I told my wife, I'm like, hey, how many, how many tickets do I need? Tell me who I need to buy tickets for

[18:04] For this, because it's going to be going to be a good time. So, I'm pretty excited. any thoughts on this? How have you been feeling about the trailers and footage so far for the show? I just don't want to watch too much. I mean, just because you guys have been talking so much about how there's, you know, going to be cameos like crazy. It looks like they're doing, either world jumping or, you know, that sort of thing. So I, I really feel like the Deadpool to me, is, you know, good percentage about the humor as it is, I'm sure, for a lot of people and, you know, the the way that you go into or at least the way I like

[18:46] To go into a comedy movie is to not have all the punch lines spoiled for me. So I really feel like, I don't want to see many any more trailers I'm already in. So yeah. Yeah. So I think one of the cool things and we've said this about Deadpool is, you know, Ryan Reynolds, he's he's a marketing guy. He runs a marketing company. I would think they would like, record special lines for trailers that they wouldn't then put in the movie. Right? Like, or like, you know, we've got to make a clean edit because it's an R-rated movie kind of thing. So we'll record something different. So I wouldn't be surprised if some of the trailers, stuff

[19:18] That we see in the trailer doesn't make it in there because it's just voiceover. you know, do you know. If they do that for the original? Oh yeah. There's stuff there's some stuff in the original ones that didn't make it in the first two at least. probably more the second than the first two. with that, I, I mean, I know, like I said, there's so many rumors about this and whether there's, there's actually dozens of cameos or not. There's just so many rumors about this. I would love to go in and still be surprised the they right like that. Is that is it. And and yeah, it's more of a comedy. It's got some action stuff.

[19:48] The action scenes would probably be, you know, fairly good, but it is. It is about the camaraderie, the connection, the, the two. I guess opposite Marvel characters kind of teaming up here going down a will be, will be, will be fun. So, yeah, I expect probably see a little trailer tomorrow, but I'm going to be buying my tickets first thing. try to get that that opening day, I, I also feel like this is going to be one of those movies that it since it is the only Marvel movie, there might be some early, preview screenings, going on maybe like a week or two weeks ahead of time. or was it those sort with his fan events?

[20:21] They do occasionally. Yeah. You can get tickets for. So, keep your eyes open if you want to do that. If you want to go ahead and get tickets early, lock it in. tomorrow is going to be your chance to do so. There is some sort of television event this weekend. Mike and I are not Mike Patrick. I don't know what it was, and yeah, I sorry, I have it, but I don't know what it was, but we have a lot of Marvel Television news coming out. Like Brad Winderbaum, one of the, you know, heads of Marvel TV, is was out doing stuff. And like, they kind of showed off that the Marvel Television logo slash brand has been reborn,

[20:55] For for the MCU series on Disney Plus, which is interesting. And, if you may remember, Marvel Television was run by Jeph Loeb. Whenever they did agents of Shield, everyone's favorite Inhumans show that they even debuted in Imax, if you remember. I mean my favorite for sure. Yeah. but it did lead into some of the better stuff with, Daredevil Jessica Jones, you know, the The Defenders series as well. So they have brought that bringing back and it will live alongside Marvel Studios, which is the movie portion, Marvel Television and Marvel Animation, which we've seen lately with, I don't, I don't know how much, I know you said you've not seen all of X-Men 97 yet, but like, the what if stuff, they've been using that Marvel Animation Studios logo.

[21:42] So yeah, I watch all the I've seen all the what if stuff. So, yeah, I mean, I, I've really enjoyed the different animation styles for sure, even if I'm not interested in the plotlines of different episodes. Yeah. And the cool thing about this at the end of the day is for Marvel Television, for me, is like it shows that they're giving it its own, like, I guess department. Right? Like its own focus it the TV shows aren't just a part of Marvel Studios anymore. television will get its own, I guess people running it. And we got that promise last year when they retooled, Daredevil and. Right. And then kind of, you know, parted ways with the writers

[22:16] And everything and started like, we're not going to film, we're going to scrap or keep what we can scrap what's not working and start over. And then this feels like the first official step in that direction. Now that that's kind of out there or they're getting ready for it. Yeah, I mean, frankly, man, there's there's a lot of stuff that is not working with television. And I think I think they needed to make and stuff like that because, I mean, even even for big fans of the property, that there have been a lot of misses with Marvel TV. and, I mean, very few, very few, like event shows where people from outside of the zeitgeist, outside of the MCU

[22:58] Fan base, are like, I got to go watch that show. you know, because there's there are TV shows all over the place that occasionally drag in people that wouldn't normally, wouldn't normally watch something like, oh, I'm not a fan of cooking shows, but I hear this. The bear is really good, you know, that sort of thing. the Marvel just hasn't had many, if any of those. I mean, Loki, and that might be. One, I think WandaVision and Loki. Oh, WandaVision. Yeah. Yeah, like like if we gotta go back a little bit further, but like, I think one of the Vision Loki were the two that everyone's like, I, you have to watch them, right? Kind of thing.

[23:33] That's the ones that kind of broke through a little bit. Yep. And I, I feel like I feel like sometimes there's, there's too much concern or too, too much influence or too much, thought going into or how does this influence the MCU as a whole? instead of just like, let's, let's try to make a good show and then and then worry about the rest of that, maybe a little bit later. Yeah. I don't know. Well, no, no. So I yeah, you're right because if they do this and they pull Marvel Television down, like we can just make good TV shows with people who know how to make TV shows. Right. I think to your, to your point

[24:10] Or anything that was good before they didn't know how to do what they were trying to run it like a movie. Right. Like and we even talked about, oh, we're going to we'll the fix the TV show and post. That's not how TV works. throw. Money at. It. Yeah. Like, oh, we don't need to go back and film anything else. We'll just we'll just make the edits work. And that's not how TV works at all. So I think, you know, this is a good to me. This is a good thing. Right? I'm a happy in to your I get to your point. You make something good that's not connected to the larger events. X-Men 97 I know you haven't watched it, but I mean, I'm sure you've heard

[24:41] Word around it, right? Like. Oh, yeah, for sure. It doesn't connect to the MCU. It's literally a continuation of the 90s X-Men cartoon. But they made it good because they, you know, they don't have to connect everything. You don't have to worry about the repercussions of the live action movies. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know, TV is a is a busy space nowadays, man. And so it's almost like there's there's more. Well, not almost there is more competition for TV, for TV eyeballs than there is for, you know, going to, you know, hey, it's raining out today. I'm going to go spend 2.5 hours at a movie theater and and watch a movie, or, you know,

[25:25] Stream one on demand there. There's people don't want to get invested in a show if they hear, oh, yeah, it's okay. because at a minimum, you're talking about, you know, eight hours of attention, you know, up to 15, 20 hours of attention. So, I think, yeah, I think there's a lot more competition out there, and there's a lot more, there's, people are turned away a lot easier, I guess. I have, I, you know, I know what, I can watch a movie anytime I put them on a movie, I have a hard time committing to television shows because that's how. That's how I am, right? Like, yeah, I don't enjoy a binge model. I don't like just sitting still

[26:06] And binging things for, for, like just taking it all in. so it's very kind of hard for me to, to get into TV shows sometimes. So I agree with you. Like, it's got to be it's got to be really enticing for me to sit down and watch it. All right, like fall out. Like, I was kind of concerned with fallout. I was like, man, I don't do I want to sit down and watch this, but what do I want to do? Like, I'm not, you know, I haven't played all the fallout games, but, yeah, we were able to to I was able to kind of get on board with that. So, I, I agree, there's just a lot of television shows

[26:36] And all things I think I got to point at the binge. It also depends on the release model. Right. Like if you like do an Amazon approach where you just drop it all, you know, some, some of the stuff all at once, like, like, you know, the boys in fallout, you know, is that is that better or is that worse than trying to do weekly? Because you never know if that can help, you know, if the show is going to be good or not at the end of the day. So. Yeah, I mean, not to be pedantic, but I don't think the boys did all at once. Well, they dropped the first three and you're

[27:04] Right, it's mostly like they dropped the first three. But I think, and I and I apologize, but Amazon is very, they, they go back and forth on and on their shows. I think Netflix I would say is probably more consistent, dropping everything all at once. I think it was Bridgerton season three dropped this weekend. not that I watch Bridgerton by any means, folks, so don't come at me. I just, I it's just like when they drop a show, you see everything about it. Like all the minions, like, you know. Oh, we watched it all this week and I'm like, good Lord, it's, it's a lot of stuff. And now we're transitioning into becoming a Bridgerton podcast.

[27:39] That's right. well, the the only thing I wish Netflix dropped all at once some days was a great British baking show. All right. No kidding. Right. Like that's the show I'd binge in a heartbeat. I know that's that's because I would come, when, you know, we come visit you and we would just sit down and for a whole weekend, we would we would gamble on who's going to win, and we would maybe take breaks and bake stuff. Yeah, yeah, make our own snacks along the way for the show. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's, But I'm biased. I'm biased. moving in Daredevil Born Again, I think would be the biggest news out of this event that happened.

[28:14] And we have a new icon slash logo and a release date confirmation of releasing of March 2025, which would be just shy of ten years of whenever Daredevil dropped on, Netflix. which was, I think April 23rd, 2015. But, I like, this this this image here is there's not a lot to give away here, but you see Charlie Cox and missing it off real on stage. But I love the cityscape under the word daredevil. it's that's just it's so simple. There's nothing here to read into it, really. But I just like that cityscape underneath. Yeah, it's it's a cool logo. I also like the, the subhead of, like, Born Again. I think that's, I think that, to what we were just talking

[29:02] About that that almost speaks to Marvel Television as a whole. So I, I don't know, I feel like it's talking about more than just Daredevil. they're like, it's the whole ethos of Marvel Television, like, born again sort of thing. Yeah. And then also. Too much into it. Yeah. Well, no, you're right, I think that and then it's also brought forward from Netflix. Right. Like you know. Right. It's it's there's multiple meanings behind a born again. There's also a comic book series for him. oh. Because so like it's all, it's all it's firing on all cylinders. Right. That's, say what you will about the content of Marvel shows. They, they picked the best titles when they're putting them out there.

[29:45] Case in point, Secret invasion. Awesome title. Shitty show I've ever watched that. so we never fought against getting it right. with this, it's also confirmed to be reduced to nine episodes rather than 18 out the gate. and the running discussion is that the season two would be the next nine episodes. So they they've hired everyone for 18. We'll do nine now, nine later. And I think that's a much more digestible amount of Daredevil. So they do they already complete filming for both. just the first night. Just the first night. Okay. and that's the way to do it, thank God, because, you know, you can get that feedback and, you know, work on the work on season two a little bit.

[30:26] And they went ahead to kind of, they, they showed footage and I don't have the footage here, but it did confirm, you know, returning characters that we talked about Matt Murdock, Foggy Nelson, Karen Page and Wilson first set kingpin. So like the main, the big four from the Netflix series are coming back. And this seems to be very, very aligned with a continuation, of that show in in parts they probably not taking like, hey, you know, there's dragon bones under the city, but you I'll take what I can get at this point for that. but yeah, you know, take you guys and take a look at that, that image in the, in the show notes there.

[31:00] And then moving on was another show. We've talked about this kind of briefly, over the past couple, I guess years now, with no real confirmation. Is that the Ironheart TV show? Right. The spinoff of, it will be a spinoff of Black Panther Wakanda Forever. but Riri Williams at the show, they started filming this a while ago, and, they did, you know, show off a again, a new logo for this, which is pretty, pretty close with the rest of it. Looks like my image link is broken here, so I apologize. Oh, works for me. Okay, cool, because it's not working for me. There goes. though. Yeah, they're so Ironheart. So, she is a character from the comic books who essentially

[31:39] Was a kid who took up the Iron Man. Meant a lot to iron man, was killed in the comic books, and obviously in comic books. He's. But he's back live now. but this one, you see, I don't know the actor's name, and I apologize, but Perry Williams and Anthony Ramos, as, I think the villain, the hood, the character called the hood, next to story here on this image as well. And they did show some footage and it, you know, it kind of just the description of it. It's like she's stealing parts while she's at MIT to build her early suits, which we kind of got a little bit of a hint at in, we kind of forever,

[32:11] She gets expelled for doing all this stuff, trying to build a, you know, I'm in suits, but later shots. So the, her final Ironheart suit in action now, I don't know, they did not confirm if it was the one from Wakanda Forever or a different one. And on set, we saw some bigger ones. seen in models, a couple of years ago. But obviously, as he shows, adapt, evolve and get kind of put under Marvel Television's banner, I could see this changing as well. Right. So this is essentially a prequel. I think it's a both I think it's a I think it's like describes who she is and how she got on the radar for Wakanda Forever,

[32:46] But then also like afterwards where she has like maybe her like I think they said that she didn't get a keeper suit. Right. And we kind of forever they kept the vibranium suit. And so yeah. So I think it's going to be a little bit of both, kind of showing who she is, how she got to where she is, and then also post, you know, having experienced the, high tech vibranium suit. Yeah. I mean, I thought they did a really good job characterizing her, her character in, in the movie itself. So I'm, I'm really interested in in the show. I, I thought her character was a good part of the movie. Yeah. and I, you know, a lot of people like.

[33:22] Oh, it's just she's here to replace Iron Man. I, I disagree with that. I don't think she's replacing Iron Man. I think she has her own part of it. I know that, and it feels like this. And you tell me for what it feels like. They're working towards a Young Avengers movie in the area. You and she would be a part of that. You know, being being young. And I think she might even been on the dossier that Captain Marvel had the end of them, or that Captain or Miss Marvel at the end of The Marvels. And the other part of this is, you know, actor, Sacha Baron Cohen is in this movie and it's rumored Mike Patrick I I'm this is gonna be really hard to do.

[33:56] Apologize ahead of time. Patrick. is that he will be actually Mephisto in this because of the hood. Has connections to, you know, the demon world and all this other stuff, like that's how. Yeah, man, I. I wish, I wish we had a running count on your podcast of the number of times that Mephisto has been rumored. And it's funny because it's not been going on for a hot minute. Right? Like, we've had a a good, you know, year or two of no Mephisto, rumors, but but that that this seems to be like I could see him easily playing like, the human version of the devil who's trying to scheme his way in the thing. So, we've not heard anything.

[34:40] That's anything. Obviously, the show can change till, before it comes out, late next year. And this these two shows, kind of coincide with that. Bob Iger promise that they're only going to be doing two, two shows a year. Right? So it sounds like 2025 will be Daredevil and then Ironheart later on in the year. But I'm liking that. I'm seeing six episodes. Keep it tight. And, you know, just do a good, good short show. Yeah. Should be fun. I can I'll even take, you know, two response to echo. I'll take five episodes even like, right. Like, you know, I don't need more than six by any means, so, six, six or less is. That's pretty solid all around.

[35:24] However, this year, we, are yet to get, other than echo that came out the beginning year. Our second show, the second show this year is confirmed to be titled Agatha All Along, Patrick. So we got a little teaser, a little video with all the different tease names they've been giving us over the years and their release date. So they've others, they've we've seen, Agatha, Coven of Chaos, we've seen the Darkhold Diaries, we've seen House of Harkness, and then we saw the line which with the Great Wardrobe, which is a great pun on on that. but they have confirmed that as a two episode premiere on September 18th. So it sounds like, again, all these titles we've seen, they are

[36:03] They were not just like, oh, we don't know what to name it. It's like the episodes are named different things. It's kind of what. It's I, I feel like this, this title, Marvel settling on this title is them confirming that the, they decided to make a TV show purely based on, song that got popular. catchy jingle. Yeah, yeah. This has them confirming that. Yeah. I'm pretty sure at our at our last house, our Wi-Fi password was Agatha all along as well? just, because it was it was funny enough, but, Yeah, this little this little tarot style teaser, animated image is pretty cool. There's nothing really to take away from the footage, in this, but it does it.

[36:50] It feels cool. I'm excited to to kind of dive back into this after what was it? WandaVision was 21. So, you know, three, three and a half years later, though, they also didn't release some footage there. We don't have we don't have the footage, but the description again teases Agatha getting out of Wanda's hex, where she's apparently been, like trying to solve a mystery or maybe a murder mystery. I think they said. But, confirms that she'll be walking the witch's road to create her own coven of witches, whatever this means. So. the creative team, are there any holdovers that you're aware of? from. the from the front? I don't think so. Because Matt Shakman, the director, he is doing Fantastic Four.

[37:40] Okay. And I'm trying to, Jack Shafer was a writer. Shafer. Yeah. let's see here. Did, a pull and pull up the wiki page? So, yeah, she. Did nine episodes of WandaVision. Okay. yeah. So, but, Jack, she did. She actually showrun this, I guess it's going to be. Oh, I don't yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So, I'm just kind of kind of going through it, but I mean, again. Yeah. Jack, she for sure is head writer and lead director, so. Absolutely. So yeah, it is the exact creative team coming along. Great that I'm in. Yeah. obviously, we've got, actor, there, actress Aubrey Plaza, Patti LuPone, Deborah Jo rep returning. You know, it's this is exciting. I would take this.

[38:24] I like the idea of what was it? The vision show. that was that was there. we've talked about vision quests. I think this is way more fun than Vision Quest. If I if I'm going to be honest, because we get the vision. We've seen this intro. We, we've seen, you know, come to life. We seemed to him come back to life, but we don't know much about this fun, magic, fun magic stuff, right? Not Doctor Strange magic fun magic stuff along the way. And, I, I've heard again, these are rumors that maybe one of these is a fully musical episode as well, which would be interesting to play with different styles. Well, I feel like they got to do it now, and.

[39:00] But just based on her WandaVision appearance. Exactly. Yeah. We need more songs. We need more, you know, Marvel songs hitting the the top charts after it. Was it the that and, Roger's the musical, right. The other one that had a little bit of music, but it seems like a great time. And in Jeremy Renner's commercial singing, I mean. Yeah, that's that's true. But we're going to get into him next. Don't worry. We have Hawkeye news this week, so. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, ABC's all along coming September 18th, two episode premiere will, come back and let you guys know. So don't expect any more Marvel, I guess live action series until until this. I think the animated ones will be here.

[39:41] But shifting gears, as you mentioned, Hawkeye, the rumor is that season two for Hawkeye has been greenlit. after Jeremy Renner's, near-death experience. Was that last year, I think. And he's recovered. And, you know, I think he's doing more mayor of Kingstown. Is that his show? he's out. He's out doing stuff. He's not doing a show. but the rumor is it will focus on Clint's brother. Bernie. His name is Bernie Barton, if you will. That's the villain, and the rumor is to keep costs low on this while you're doing it, that Kate and Clint will be trapped in one location. And it'll be very similar to the raid movies, which I think would be fun. Yeah.

[40:22] I mean, that that formula we've seen work a couple times. now, I mean, obviously the Raid movies, but the, the first one that comes to mind for me is the, Oh my gosh, my just kind of totally blank on it. Judge Dredd. Yeah. Judge Dredd, thank. God, because I was thinking Judger, I was, I was saying I was like, Dodge Red's the other one that worked out in this situation. yeah. So, you know, bringing along the, the amateur or the inexperienced, individual and, going through tests and tribulations inside, you know, a single building, I mean, that that movie was excellent, though my, my concern would be, you know, carrying that on through an entire season as opposed to a 2.5 hour movie.

[41:07] No, you're absolutely right. Like, how do you make that work? you know, I was kind of thinking about this because, you know, for for those meat, a lot of people don't know. I barely knew Clint's brother Barnaby. They grew up together. So, like, you know, Hawkeye, his archery skills, like where he he learned them, he, his brother had them as well. Like, when they were like, you know, I guess these as, like, a young, younger people when they ran away from home or something like that. So I think, you know, having someone maybe with a similar skillset as Clint, you know, with three archers is maybe, maybe too much. But like, maybe in the comic books, they were both circus, actors.

[41:45] Like, they, they would use their skills in, like, the circus when they were running away. So, like, maybe, maybe it is like a carnival location rather than just a building, like, like it's not just our building. Like, imagine something like, hey, there's a bunch of traps here, and this is our, you know, Clint, this is our past. We're gonna learn more about how he grew up rather than, you know, kind of going forward. So I think they could work in those situations. but I agree with you, because just one building for six hours, that's not very cool, is it? yeah. I think, you know, a the cast is Bonnie. Now, I don't know, this is maybe rumored to be greenlit stuff. So.

[42:19] Oh, okay. but, you know, I have no qualms. Will continue in a Hawkeye series. I, I think, if again, under the television brand going forward and using television, people said movie people, it can work out really well in their favor. Yeah. I mean, the The Hawkeye show, I thought, you know, had had some good bones to it. but I, I think it was slightly a victim of, like, what you were saying, the being run like a movie production, rather than a television show. but it was one that was like, I would I would put it if there was a category of, like, salvageable, it would be. It would be in that one. Yeah. It a lot of, you know, great people.

[43:01] Hailee Steinfeld as Kate Bishop is a great casting choice. I think she is just she kills that to bring back in, Florence Pugh as Yelena for an episode or two was really good. and this was the first really, I guess, thing that had the kingpin right as the villain. and echo. Echo even came out of here like the the it necessarily. Hawkeye wasn't the highlight of his own show. It was everybody else around him. that really kind of stand out to me for it. So, yeah, it looks like they're adding in Tony Dalton, who's a really good actor. yeah. And he. So he's going to appear in the series as well. He was in the first one, right?

[43:38] Oh. I'm sorry. That's right. I'm looking at the first one. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, yeah. If we get again, if we get more information. Absolutely. But I can see some of those characters kind of, kind of carrying over. yes. With that, moving on to, our, our show image topic of the day. This is the definitely the most interesting one for me and where I'm going to be very, like, knowledgeable, but it's called, Scarlett Johansson's rumored Marvel project where she's a producer. We've talked about this a number of different projects. It could be anything, but it could be based on the blond Phantom, which is a comic book character created in 1946, and kind of was around for a little bit, then reintroduced

[44:18] In The Sensational She-Hulk from the 89 to 94 era. I don't know much about this character, Patrick. I'm completely honest with you. she seems to be maybe, like, just, very similar to the black Widow. Like, like a spy. She's got guns. Some, you know, I guess spy skills, but, like, I can't really, like, she's not a superhero. She's not, like, a super powered hero at the end of the day. So I don't know what this is. I see parallels between this and obviously the, Black Widow that Skrull Janssen did play. And there's an interview footage of, like, I think in the middle of the MCU reign, like maybe near endgame, that she, Skrull Johnson mentioned this character

[45:03] When they were like, hey, when you went to Marvel with their other characters and then Black Widow, you were in play, and she said, the blond Phantom. And that might be where this rumor is pointing back to, to say that she's doing, but I, I just don't see this character kind of fitting in, either, her own show or movie anywhere in Marvel in the foreseeable. Future to ask you if you knew what if we knew whether her projects in quotes was a movie or a TV show? Yeah, I the all of the rumors are head pointing to more TV shows than actual movies. so could be, could could could be either one really. But the, you know, knowing that again,

[45:50] Again, Bob Iger's commitment multiple times this is not new information. This is all information that they're going to do two, maybe three movies a year and two TV series. I mean, is this even maybe a marvel adjacent project is maybe is they animated even like. That's what I was going to say. Like, do they count animated productions among among those, you know, totals that he's giving? They do not because, again, I think, maybe what if it follows the MCU, but like, if they're going to the X-Men 97 is doing great. They shouldn't hold back on X-Men 97. But, I don't think I think it's just live action productions from from Iger standpoint. but I honestly do you know, I've got I've got her the bond fans Wikipedia page pulled up.

[46:37] She has no superhuman powers. An athletic woman that was skilled hand hand combatant and a fine marks woman with the conventional hand gun she carried. She also possesses excellent secretarial skills. Patrick. and, yeah, I, I, I don't I don't know what to do with this. And, I don't know if this is real, like, is is this something we. If I said, yeah, she's doing a blond, is this something that we even want to put our time into? You know, we talked about, shows becoming, you know, there's there's too many shows out there. You've got to commit to a show. Is this something that you'd even want to commit to? Because I'm not feeling it. No. And if, I mean, if you're going to go this route,

[47:20] I mean, I understand if she doesn't want to step in front of the camera anymore, but if you're going to go this route, then why not either? well, I don't know. I guess rebooting the character might not have, an audience either, but I, I, I just don't understand, giving like giving, eliminating her, her character, obviously, you know, she's she's dead in the MCU, but then reintroducing a character that seems to be a less interesting version of her former character. Like, I don't know how that's going to fly. in any medium film, animated, or TV. Right. And there's I think she's got, you know, if if they were giving her some, some interest, some, some options.

[48:15] You know, I don't think she'd choose this one, right? Like, you're like, where's the return on this? Right. Like where what what what is the is this a creative project? Is this a passion project? I, you know, the characters and comic books would be a passion project, I feel. but you also have literally, if you wanted to do a Black Widow's series with, Florence Pugh, I think that would be more, rewarding at the end of the day for viewers and people making it. Right. so, I don't know, I just this is the weirdest news I've had in a long time. I just don't know what to do with it. So I don't know if anyone else has any ideas on on the Blond

[48:50] Phantom, let us know because yeah, we're stumped. We're just stumped here in, Marvel, adjacent is the Amazon, attempts to do some spider man shows and Silk Spider City, which is now dead at Amazon. By the way. I didn't want to put it in here, but it is dead. But after they announced that Spider Side is no longer moving forward at Amazon, they've said, they're going to confirm that Nicolas Cage will star as, as will star in a spider man noir series called noir. and I don't think it's an adaptation of the comic book Spider Man anymore, but, based on style series, right? because obviously he would play the anime voice, the animated Spider-Man noir, the comic book series.

[49:35] He's very much a younger detective, but it sounds like that this description is is an aging and Daniel's like, private investigator in 1930s New York who was forced to grapple with his past life as the city's one and only superhero. So it sounds like maybe it's an aged up Spider-Man noir here. Man, I just want to. I want, a noir movie that's based off of a highly successful private investigator. Like, I feel like all these are the down on their luck. private investigator, I don't know. That's that's a nice noir for you. You can't have those depressing inner monologues if he's. Yeah. That's right. If he's happy, go lucky. with that, I. I can with a very happy home life and,

[50:18] You know, a beautiful wife and two kids that he loves very much. He's a very successful superhero as well, right? Everyone loves them. He's he's obviously not concerned out to get them. this this, this, I've got some red flags, and we've got some green flags here. Okay. Red flags is. It's Spider-Man noir, but it's not. How did they not learn anything about Madame Web? You know, literally, like Madame Web. Sony, you know, the same as on a Sony. Like you did a Spider-Man movie without Spider-Man. And boy, did that. They're not good. it didn't go over well. Well, but Nicolas Cage, I think he is crazy enough to sell whatever he's doing. Like he will commit to this role.

[51:01] He's not going to half art half hearted, right? that's for sure. He is going to go all in. So, keep coming back the other way. again, who's asking for a Spider-Man noir series? Red flag. Right. This is like, who? Who's making stuff up, but produced by Phil Lord, Chris Miller and Amy Pascal, who've done all the good Spider-Man stuff back, back into the green flag. So what's your take on this? Right, right out the gate? I mean, my first thought is for for any noir feature, it's it's all in the writing. Like you were just talking, internal dialog, that sort of thing. The the world building, is really important in a noir feature. it we typically,

[51:48] I guess one good thing that noir has going for it is, noir is notorious for following around its protagonist and only giving the point of view of its protagonist. most noir films are that way. And if you know, we're if every scene involves Nicolas Cage, that that's, that's a boon for the show. That's a that's a good thing. But, the the problem is it requires, like, really, sharp writing. I feel like, and the writers that they have attached to this so far are like, I know the producers are inspiring confidence, but the writers to me are not inspiring confidence with, such writing credits as Escape Room, Tournament of Champions, The Cloverfield Paradox, Mortal Kombat, The Lost City.

[52:40] Okay. All right. Yeah. You know, I mean, exactly another red flag, right? Like, really like you're you're you're only some. But, you know, there are writers, you know, with the proper direction who can come back, right? sure. Because I, you know, I look at the Cloverfield Paradox, that movie is like a gut punch to me because I'm like, oh, this is high concept sci fi Cloverfield universe. But it was like the history of that movie. It was written one way and then like, no, this isn't a we're going to add Cloverfield to this movie. So they had to adapt the original script into Cloverfield. And and I'm like, that doesn't work in any, any way, shape or form.

[53:15] But, right. Yeah. I mean, it's to me, one of the interesting parts about this, if it's a no hour series, truly noir style series even, is that, you know, is it unique enough right now? Because we don't get a lot of that kind of show it right now. Like, you know, that fad is you know, up and down, up and down, that it could stand out amongst every other show because it's got a unique kind of style and voice to it. Right? Is that, hey. I agree with you, but I think we don't get a lot of that because frankly, I don't think people get it. Yeah, like I don't I don't think people, you know, grasp

[53:53] On to it that the only mainstream thing that I can think of as being noir or neo noir in the past 15 years is like Sin City had its moment. What about but Blade Runner 2049? Oh yeah, that's no, that's a fair point. Although I, I think Blade Runner, I mean, I especially compared to the original, it kind of went away from its noir roots a little bit in in The consideration. But I think, I think noir, it has a, history of being black and white. Right. We need to think one thing, but I'm thinking of black and white film. Right. Like I'm thinking, yeah, obviously. But you know, with Blade Runner 2014, it's still there's still more to it,

[54:33] You know, kind of a silent protagonist, a lot of, you know, thoughts in thoughts. But like, I think we can add color to noir now and it's still be okay. Right. with this. But your 1930s New York house, I don't think, you know, like a lot of people like gangsters with their Tommy guns out, you know, talking with those thick New York accents, sure, this can go either way, I guess. I guess I don't know if if you agree that this could literally go either way. really? Really. It could be good. It could be bad, you know. And. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm to be honest with you, I'm very interested. But I also feel like I would be in the minority there.

[55:10] I think the more details that people hear about it, you're are losing people like, you hear Spider-Man and you're like, oh, great. And then you hear Nicolas Cage and you're like, oh, great. And then you get further down your, I don't know, like if, if, if people heard about a serious Spider-Man series starring Nicolas Cage, I think they would be, you know, piqued their interest. And then the more details you pile on, the less and less. Interesting when you when you find out that it's not really Spider-Man. right. Exactly. Yeah. Kind of thing. Absolutely. Yeah. I, I exact 100% like, after watching Madame Web and looking at the upcoming Kraven, I'm just not thrilled. I think even the producer of the some of the Spider-Man stuff

[55:54] This week was like, yeah, we're excited for venom three. You know, the last bit a movie, and I get that venom, you know, say what you will about it's not as bad as the other Spider-Man properties that have come out of Sony. but, you know, I don't know. It's just feels like they're just blowing their. Any chance they get goodwill to build actually good Spider-Man stuff after, you know, into the Spider-Verse, crossed Spider-Verse and and Spider-Man movies. But now we'll see what you know as this gets moving along. We'll see. Amazon. you know, again, surprise me with with not the not the like I said, it's not the best show in the world, but it's still fun show to watch.

[56:31] So maybe they can pull some fun out of this at the end of the day. Yeah. creature commandos, are you familiar with this property over at, DC universe or so? This is the animated, show coming up that James Gunn likes. One of the first announcements, like, we're doing an animated show for for DC first and Creature Commandos. So essentially it's imagine Suicide Squad, but with, like, there's a, there's a Frankenstein, like a Bride of Frankenstein, like a underwater creature who looks like he's from, Hellboy or, What's that? That movie where the lady has sex with the water. Dude. Alien. you know, you don't talk talking. The shape of. Water. The shape of water there is, yeah.

[57:09] So it's essentially, creature Commandos is Suicide Squad, but they're they're they're like, just creatures, like monsters, if you will, with them who have personal, the the the weasel dude from the Suicide Squad. You remember the weasel? he's in it. Yes. It's that. And when they announce all this stuff, they they announce the voice actors, and Frank Grillo is going to be the human leader, this Rick Flagg senior of that animated show. And they they are actually taking him as an actor and bringing them into Peacemaker season two. the human version of them, if you will. So, the Argus live action version, not the animated version in season two. And James Gunn confirmed that this week.

[57:48] And, the this is interesting simply because you watch The Suicide Squad right? When it came out. Yes. that, peacemaker killed Rick Flagg Jr in that one. Right. So he's obviously going to have a vendetta against peacemaker when he shows up in this. And, for those who may not know, Frank Grillo, he was the, in America, the Winter soldier. He was, the guy who tried to arrest Captain America in the elevator. Yep. So I recall that. he's got some history in Marvel. he's got some some stuff with, James Gunn, and, the series Creature Commandos will be screened at the Annecy Film Festival. I think it's in, like, France. And in June next month. Nice. I this is to me and, you know, I said of the top shows

[58:33] Is a big points on there because I think this is like, you know, that commitment that, you know, hey, we are going to bring characters in, who voice their voice, their characters into the live action. And I think it's great they're actually following through that commitment. Right. you can say that. And then like, you know, obviously there's weasel who was in the Suicide Squad, and he's in this he's a CGI character played by, Sean Gunn, actually. So like, that's one thing, but to bring a whole, you know, character from animated live action is going to be I just don't see Frank Grillo as the dad of, Rick Clark Jr that we saw in there. Like, they he looks younger than, Joel Kinnaman at the movie.

[59:12] So like, yeah, are they gonna put some gray on him? You know, put a beard on them, like. Yeah, I mean, that's. What it's going to say. Need a little touch of gray there. Yeah. I mean his his hair is his hair is jet black. I think a little touch of gray would help. Yeah, sell that for us. And he doesn't look anything like Joel Kinnaman either, so. No, no, he doesn't. So this is going to be an interesting kind of kind of parentage kind of thing. but, yeah, obviously peacemaker season two on its way. yeah. Exciting to to catch up and see how this somehow crosses over into the new DCU proper. moving on in the DC universe, Booster Gold, the TV series,

[59:53] Has, this is rumored from a scooper, so take it either way you want. We'll use, the Blue Beetle actor from the 2023 movie. I think it's. I think it's Xolo. So I think it's, shallow. it's his name that actors name. So, they'll be bringing him into that movie. So you have a Booster Gold blue Beetle. It's much like the comic book team ups. And, casting will be announced this year, and it's rumored to be Chris Pratt, but I don't think that's very true. I don't think Chris Pratt will commit to a TV series, do you? no, I mean, he he. For a while there he was getting the biggest movie properties, you know, that exists in Hollywood.

[1:00:33] I, I can't see him going back to a TV series, especially one like this. Yeah. I was, I was looking up his Yeah. Obviously filmography like, you know, he, he's the, he's still in every voice actors role out there we joke about. Right. Like, well he's he's Mario, he's Garfield. That just came out recently. I forgot about that. Yeah. He he's he's been in Jurassic World. He's been in. Yeah, obviously. Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers stuff. he's probably going to hit me. He's probably going to get his own movie. Right. The, they said Star-Lord will return at the end of that thing. but I also, you know, I was thinking of this friend about,

[1:01:10] Like, he's in that show, The Terminal List on Amazon, where he's like a Navy Seal kind of thing, and it's ongoing. Heard of that? I remember seeing the the promotions for this, and it looks like a Jason Bourne or Jack Reacher TV show, like, like there's nothing on this that stands out to me. I like, I like, oh, I gotta watch this. The it just looks like a, one of those, I guess modern military spy movies kind of things. But he's a Navy Seal who seeks to avenge the murder of his family. Pull up here. So, I mean, maybe he would commit to a show, but I'm not. I just don't feel like he would.

[1:01:47] He would do this if. If Booster Gold, was a movie, absolutely. 100% seem doing it. But, you know, I think they're going to try to probably find someone maybe a little less popular, a little less a little more cheaper to, to get this movie off the ground, if you will, our TV series. TV series. Sorry. I'm not. No. In kind of a slight tangent, I guess. Do you do you think that, that a lot of those actors from the Guardians movies would be tempted to, to follow, gun? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I do. I it's not something I really thought about into until, we started discussing the the Booster Gold property, but I, I could, I could see that being,

[1:02:35] Kind of a takeover for, you know, from Marvel to, to DC. I know, in the first, the Suicide Squad. I mean, this isn't really commitment, but, like, what's, the actress who played mantis is in, like, the the the bar dancing scene, like, it's one of the, like, the, the locals. And then, the lady who played Ratcatcher, is in Guardians three, so there is a lot of crossover. James Gunn likes to have his usual suspects, right? not just his brother, not just his brother, but he will. He will give Sean Gunn every role he can. I said I have a signed photograph from Sean Gunn. I have a voice. I love Sean, and we just joke about it.

[1:03:14] It's funny because obviously Helen Gunn's like getting it. Chris Pratt voicing it, one of the two, but, yeah, I think I think absolutely. I think, you know, what was, David teasing, you know, huge vocal support for James Gunn whenever the, the other Disney regiment fired him right after, back in like, 2018. So, you know, I, I do think they would probably follow him. And I think, again, he is good on his commitment to to to work with him across that I, you know, I could see what was it how shoot he played Yondu. and then he was, in the Suicide Squad opening as well. Yeah. Michael. Something. Something. Rooker. He goes for three names. oh. Yeah. You are?

[1:03:57] Yeah, yeah. Rooker. I'll both of those names that are Rooker. all three of them. Yeah. but. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I think I think they will, I think, you know, I don't know if it'll be right away, but, you know, obviously there's still some casting for the super girl movie that's going to be coming up. we've got we got some notes on that, Green Lantern's TV screen. We'll talk about it. Yeah, I think there's opportunities to put them in there and have some of them. but speaking of Green Lanterns, we'll jump into that real fast. the lanterns TV series, this is going to come from TV series has, added Chris Mundy of the show Criminal Minds as a showrunner.

[1:04:35] And, they've confirmed that, Tom King, who is a comic book writer, he's, Batman comic books. A he wrote Supergirl, a Woman of Tomorrow comic that they're based in the movie on tons more as, the co-writer of the series as well. So, yeah, TV credit. I don't know, I'm gonna have to look this up now. I will give a shout out to, friend of the show and listener Brian. He was at Motor City Comic-Con this weekend, and one of the texts I got from him yesterday is literally got to meet Tom King and Mitch Gerard's, who are comic book writers for DC. Huge comic writers. Mister Miracle, that was a TV show. He's an Eisner Award winning writer for, comic books.

[1:05:14] I'm looking at. I don't see anything TV directly related in here. Okay, I want to look him up. so that's not saying that's not in here, but they just listen off there. But I think I think there's some carryover there, right? Like a script for a comic book. And, you know, script for that stuff works out the same. And gotta start somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. If he was just like a brand new writer, like, right out the gate, I'd be like, yeah, maybe we'll. But, he still, he's still writing, current. If you look it up, he's writing the Wonder Woman series currently and, the Penguin series for DC as of as of today. So, Yeah, I think that's great.

[1:05:50] This is this is a fun little thing here. Criminal Minds, you know, that's, it's like, like a murder mystery kind of show, right? And, you know, Green Lanterns that are the space cops of the universe, you know, I, I'd watch, essentially. Yeah. Not necessarily a procedural, but, like, you know, a cop movie trying to solve some big mystery murder out in the universe with Green Lanterns. yeah. I mean, so is that for sure the direction that they're going in? based on the Criminal Minds? I don't I don't know, but that's always been the rumors, right? Until they actually say something. Because, you know, there's been, like several Green Lantern. Like, there was a show called I think it was

[1:06:29] This just called lanterns, but there was another Green Lantern show that was going on a movie that was canceled whenever James Gunn and Peter Safran took over. So, I don't know where everything stands as is today, but I feel that has been the heaviest rumor so far that they're going to be doing like they're they're out in the universe trying to solve a mystery, with that. And then also, Nathan Fillion will play the Guy Gardner, the red haired bull cut version of Green Lantern in the Superman movie next year. So, yeah, I agree, that is one of my favorite. If I, you know, when people say, oh, you're a marvel fan, I'm like, yeah, that's fine.

[1:07:04] But like comic books, Green Lanterns absolutely love their series. the one of my favorite ones was called Blackest Night, which is the, idea. Like, there's Green lanterns, yellow lanterns, every color on the the spectrum. And each one represents, like a kind of emotion, green being willpower, yellow fear, orange avarice. But, Black lanterns are essentially zombies. people who, you know, life, White Lanterns are life. Black was death. So like, there's like, essentially they're bringing back dead superheroes as Black Lanterns in this big comic book culmination. so it's it'd be great to see the other colored rings out there having some fun. Yeah, man, I it's so funny because, like, Green Lantern has always interest me, but all the, all the like the mainstream properties, I mean.

[1:07:50] Well, primarily the movie. Yeah. The Ryan Reynolds movie I like have just been so terrible that I've never been able to really get into it much so I, I, I hope it's really good. there was also a Green Lantern animated show on Cartoon Network. it was like I say, it was like a CG animated show, and it dealt with lots of. I recommend that show. you know, especially a young guy, a young son. It's this kid show. and I really enjoy that. and then I forget what the other one is like. Maybe Green Lantern first flight is a DC animated show from, like, ten years, an animated movie from 10 to 15 years ago, and it was one of the first

[1:08:29] DC animated movies I did. And I recommend that if you want to get some good Green Lantern content. Along the way. Definitely. I will have to check it out. Yeah. Moving on. Supergirl. Woman of tomorrow. We, talk about a little bit, earlier with, her name is Millie. Something I forget her. It's, Millie Alcock, who was in, House of Dragon and Supergirl. This movie is confirmed to release, June 26th, 2026. So. 626, 2026. that's I know that's, you know, two years from now, but that feels pretty good. I mean, that means that they're moving along pretty well. They probably got a good script. So we'll get some casting announcements probably. I'm guessing Comic-Con this year. Right. San Diego Comic-Con.

[1:09:12] We'll get some more casting announcements and villains. this is great. I'm glad they're moving forward with another movie rather than just sticking with Superman. And I know Batman Braving the Bold is in there, but we've not heard anything move on that. So, this feels pretty good. I, I do wonder if there's a reason why it seems like they they're putting so much into the Super man Supergirl super woman properties here off the bat without touching on many other, of the characters. I mean, maybe that's just my, me not paying as much attention to DC as Marvel, I guess. But, it just it just feels that way. Well, I was to me, I agree, and and, you know, there.

[1:09:58] But maybe it's because some of the cast of Superman is going to be in Supergirl, right? Maybe some carryover already. Right. fair enough with that. And then also we have I know it's not DC universe proper, but we have the Batman Part two and Joker two as like the I know they're both Batman. This is Batman and Superman, but like the earthbound, like more realistic characters. Where is, James Gunn? He has some, you know, can go sci fi and supernatural a little bit with with the Superman Supergirl and then have the grounded, realistic The Batman and the Joker in movie theaters kind of alongside it, if you will. Sure. But I mean, there's so different that

[1:10:36] That no one really associates them with one another. Well. Absolutely. And I think, I think just think if you look at an audience point of view, we do we oversaturate it with one or the other, like right. Do you how do you get how do you get, you know, James Gunn's Batman out while the Batman Part two is out? Yeah. I get what you're saying. Yeah. So you don't you don't want, you know, your your other big space world killing, you know, adventure feature action, whatever. movie to, to, overlap or overshadow this one. Yeah. So, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah. It's kind of like, you know, last year, you know, people like a Blue Beetle.

[1:11:17] I'm like, yeah, Blue Whale came out. But people forget because the flash came out and took over literally everything, right? Like, right. you know, so people will miss that. But I agree, like, there's more to DC than Batman and Superman characters, right? Like, there are so many other we talked about Green Lantern, push gold. we've got, you know, and maybe. Is it too late for one? It's too soon for a Wonder Woman Aquaman reboot. I mean, I know we got Superman in here, but, like, there are a lot of other DC characters that you can pull from that don't need to be those two. yes. Galleries of characters. Right. you know, the one thing about Marvel, you know, say what you will

[1:11:57] In the early days yet, Iron Man, you had Thor, you had Captain America, and the Hulk, like four very, very different characters. Like they were not popular at that point in time. People didn't know who they were. So, like, I think you could probably start with some small characters and have some, some, some of these gods and monsters properties coming out that aren't just Superman. Right? Yeah. So but, you know, if if that's the I again, I think the theory I have and you tell me what you think because in the movie production world, you know, Warner Brothers proper, they, they get money from lenders, the banks and people who finance these movies that, you know, they, they're

[1:12:38] They don't have a lot of money to give to DC right now because everything has kind of not been good lately, right? You know, in The Flash, Black Adam, I would say, you know, maybe evil probably got a little bit of money and broke even, but it was made for streaming. like all those properties haven't been doing well. And so to start on a new studio and do this, they have to show success with one movie and make money before the banks or lenders give them more money for more properties. So they're probably picking like, hey, we need a win out the gate regardless of your quality can be mediocre, but it's got Superman's name in it.

[1:13:10] We can get money to make them more niche films. Along, right? And I, I completely agree with that. In terms of starting with Superman, I thought that that was the smartest. But then going from there, yeah, I, I, I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't know why we put all, all our eggs in the Superman adjacent basket. Oh no, I that's and that's why I'm saying I'm agreeing with you entirely. Like I just think like is a success of House of the Dragon and roll like we like we can count on her. And there's Superman adjacent character to be our next big hit. yeah. along the way, because I'd like to, you know, Man-Thing.

[1:13:49] Not Man-Thing is Man-Thing. Swamp thing is one of the movies on that list, right? That they announce early on. I would like to go to a Swamp Thing. Like, can we get in there? Like, a little bit, like, I know he's had enough runs of movies and TV shows, but, like, let's do some of that for a little bit. kind of thing. I mean, and I think what they got, I love the casting, though. I mean, I know you have said in the past that you, have not really gone into House of the Dragon. Yeah. but I think Millie's a good casting. She's really great in the show. And her. I mean, her stint in the show ended, not due to.

[1:14:26] There's no spoilers here, not due to a death or anything, but you do a time jump for the character, right? So, Yeah, I think she's. She's a good gift for sure. And, I mean, even though she doesn't have a ton of experience, she's, she's definitely. Well, I mean, that was a popular show, so she's well known enough, I think. Oh, absolutely. Yep. I think I think that's, to me, you'll be fine. I, I think any, any actor, I we don't get to see auditions. Right from our point of view, we don't give a see here the the reading, the scripture, how they have to do it. And I think know if they can get through that fire to their they're doing great.

[1:15:03] I don't think she's like a she's not a nepo baby. Right. And she's not a you know, hey she's worked with James Gunn before we hire her kind of deal. So I think it's it's pretty fun. A last bit of news here. while we don't have the Boys season four yet, that's coming out, next month. they've already confirmed season five. is going to be in the works, so I think they're trying to reduce the time between seasons on this. And but I think to me the boys season five needs to be I think that's where it needs to Indonesia. And on a very strong five season run Patrick what are you how do you feel that I.

[1:15:39] I, I, I really feel like you're right. I, I feel like I, I really like the boys first of all. so, stick that up front, but I feel like the seasons start to go through a similar cycle, or at least the they're starting to, feel a little similar, and that, you know, we we start off introducing new characters, which is typical, obviously, or the new threat, the new major thing. Then there's the the the the rising action. The stakes are amped up. Someone big dies or some something crazy happens. Then there's a falling out among the team where, you know, mother's milk is is mad about something. And, you know, everybody's their separate directions. And then somehow they, they come back together in the end.

[1:16:34] And like, I, I feel like it's it's going through a similar pattern every time with, you know, new characters, new stakes, new, social commentary. And it's always entertaining, but I, I feel like, we're starting to beat the same drum and, I think five seems like a good a good step to end on. Yeah, you can kind of see the patterns kind of unfolding as you watch the show a little bit, right? Like, you know, each season. And it's not a complaint. I like watching the show as well. It's not a complaint, but they there's not a lot you can do in the, in some of these shows. Right. Like and it's just like, you know, either ends on a good note.

[1:17:14] It usually never ends on a good note that ends on bad note. It's worse for next season. So it amps up the stakes. But knowing that the the source material, the boys comic book is done and, you know, they've they've veered from it. They've updated it since then. it's not one for one. But like, you know, they have a good ending point in sight for that. So it's not like, hey, we need to keep running as long as the comic books running, the comic books on. And we can we can in this in a good five season kind of deal. And what was the, the showrunner for this? He did the supernatural, Eric Kripke. Right.

[1:17:43] And he had a plan to in that, I think, after five seasons. And then, like, I think the fans just brought it back and like, that show just ran for, like, what, 15 years or something like that? did it really? Yeah. It had ungodly number of seasons. which is good. Good for it. I got, you know, the fans kind of get they want, but hopefully like a show like they, they know where the end point is. And they were like, hey, we need to, to wrap it up here. and it, it finally that way it's a nice contained show, right? I know they're doing the spin offs. Gen V, and I think Gen B is getting the season two.

[1:18:17] And I think there was one the boys Mexico is the other series they're working on as well. So if you can into your main one and then, you know, maybe run your spinoff secondary to that kind of similar to Game of Thrones if you want. I think, I think that's fine to do that. So anyway, for season four. Yeah. Season four and then also season five, I would say year, maybe year and a half. before that, gets going. Well, that is it for the for the episode. Patrick, do you have anything else you want to add before before we wrap it up? no, man. thanks for letting me take over permanently. For. Yeah. For Mike. Yeah, absolutely.

[1:18:55] You did a great job today. So, you know, I will say you've been promoted to full time host. Absolutely. Yeah. Nice. All right, what's up? Hey, Hey, oh, honey, this is no honey moment for, Yeah. We don't do it for the money. The glory or the fame over here. Believe us, we just, saw superheroes lights them out, but, you know, I'm out. Yeah. I'm out. Okay, well, it was a good run. It was. I'm glad we had you on. For what? For an episode. before I. Before you quit. That's fine. What? I I'm just don't tell Mike. He'll come crawling back to me. he won't listen to the whole episode. And we'll get this far to come crawling back in and ask for his place next week.

[1:19:33] I'm like, well, fine, I'll go fire Patrick. he won't know any, know any better. But if you want to, you know, be that's you know, they have a where can people find you? Do you have any I you're not much of a social person, so this might be a very useless for you. But I want to know. Yeah, man. Okay. I'm, I'm not really on any social media. If they want to find me, they should, they should at you. Okay. Where can they find you? You can find you, on Instagram 1487, Val, Dan or any other, any, anywhere else. That's really where it is. I am video game system, stuff like that. I would say, you know, you might be able people might be able to go find their

[1:20:07] Old show film side chats, almost some of those eight episodes that we did along the way. If they if they can find it somewhere, I still own the domain, I'm pretty sure. So if we ever, you know, we've talked about doing that. There's rumors of that starting back up. And I think it's I think it's going to happen. It's just, I need I need my youngest to get a little older and not be, in so much attention here. Absolutely. Well, I hopefully this, you know, jogs your, your podcast muscles a little bit and get you go on like, yeah. Hey. Yeah. It wasn't too bad to get up and go and let's it, let's plug it in and start rolling.

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